Detective Diaries - Podcast 'Monaco Detective'

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Monaco, a mix of Mediterranean beauty, extreme wealth and elite glamour, this tiny sovereign

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city state on the French Riviera offers tax haven advantages, legendary high-profile

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events such as the Grand Prix, and top tier security that attract the global elite.

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A short train journey from Nice where we base ourselves when working in Monaco, this is

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the place where super yachts film, port, and the queue, high end hypercars, crowd

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the streets and luxury design of beauty to find daily life.

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Today, my colleague Harry joins me here to talk about our case, reuniting, a daughter

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with her biological father and a fingerprint executives for a regulatory license.

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Did you know the fredrick aballine, the Jack the Ripper detective you can hear about

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and on detective diaries worked in a casinos here for the world famous Pinkerton detective

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agency?

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Here the full story and, of course, like, save and leave a comment on detective diaries.

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Welcome to Detective Diaries brought to you by Private Detective and Sir's investigation.

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Enjoy.

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I'm Broadcasting from one of the best Broadcast studios I think I've ever seen.

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Essentially, I am sat outside under a clear blue sky by the water in the principality

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of Monaco.

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You may hear some background noise, principally because there's sat beside the famous Monaco

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Grand prix track, which, of course, is a public road when it's not being used to hair vehicles

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around at heaven knows what sort of speed.

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Also being the day after the historic Grand prix not to be confused with the Monaco Grand prix,

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there's also dismantling a lot of the seating that's erected quite a formidable site.

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I'll get Harry to describe in a minute what he's been doing today and talk about what

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we are doing tomorrow and also a couple of Monaco stories.

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Our one very associated with the local football team and Russian billionaires and the other

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and old friend of ours, if you listen to this podcast, Frederick Abeline, who was the

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Jack Ripper Detective and unbelievably, there's a connection to him here as well.

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Harry, over to you.

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Yes, good to see you and it is a wonderful day as you say.

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I've actually been here visiting a couple of clients.

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One is a major bank with multiple locations dotted around the world.

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The other actually is involved in an acquisition of another major firm and they require fingerprinting

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needs.

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The other, as mentioned, on previous episodes about how we conduct fingerprints with many

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civil and regulatory reasons.

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Well, a lot of times companies do not have the time or perhaps the directors and the important

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people at the top of the chain do not have the time to get this process done.

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They might not even be the resources or the capacity to have it done in their home residents.

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So that's why I'm here.

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I've visited a couple of clients today, conducted a lot of fingerprinting, getting all the

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regulatory forms signed off and there will be a plan for certain applications on their

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behalf when we're back in the UK.

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When you're so regulations or regulatory compliance, what are you talking about

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or referring too

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Yes, so a lot of times we're assisting clients with obtaining police clearances.

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However, there are other needs other than just getting that clearance.

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In this case, they're one of the clients I'm fortunate.

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I'm not going to mention for confidentiality reasons.

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The other, I can quite happily talk about.

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A lot of it comes into licenses.

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Now these companies operate internationally, as we all know, but when they perhaps acquire

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or obtain either new enterprises or new staff that have to work within the confines of

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different countries, there are regulations which kick in gambling licenses as a common one.

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Liquour licenses is another come on.

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And then the financial sector as a whole, a lot of times you need brokerage licenses.

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These people need to have the ability to work in both countries and therefore that's

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where we come in to get those fingerprints.

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And more importantly, sometimes make sure those forms are correct.

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It is a bit of a web getting through those regulations.

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Well I could sit here for hours and hours and probably bore the pants off you with all

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the elements of compliance.

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But what I understand we're going to be in Nice tomorrow.

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That's a ferrari.

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That is a ferrari.

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Okay.

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That was a cool interruption.

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I'm sorry, what were you saying?

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I would say I would bore the pants off you if we sat here and discussed regulation all

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day.

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I hear we're off to Nice tomorrow to do a little bit of investigatory work.

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Oh yeah, well Nice and Monaco, they're not bang next door but they're very close together.

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It's only about five stops in the train takes about half an hour.

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It's actually one of my favourite railways journies this because it goes past the place called

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river Samar, which if anybody has ever seen the film or I think it was a stage production

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of Dirty rotten scoundrels was the inspiration for the fictitious location there.

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Anyway, that's nothing to do with anything very much.

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Nice, yeah.

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Client, quick racing.

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Long time ago I was associated with somebody, a relationship with them, had a child, things

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changed.

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He was in the army.

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He ended up going off and living in West Africa for a while but then came back in the

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France and our client would like to find him for the sake of a daughter.

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Right.

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Whos obviously got a thing about knowing where they are from.

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She of course at the age she now is as an adult would like to know her roots and her heritage

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and possibly is the whether there is any way she could meet her biological father.

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Now we've run a lot of data traces in France, he hasn't come up.

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Those have been extended to other European countries, to Spain, Italy, to Germany and so

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forth, still producing no result.

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So it's a matter of coming back to basic, find the lead.

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Now there's various people who we have identified, fairly sure that they are family members,

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not sure what connection because we're talking about quite a few decades.

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One of them tracked down to an address in nice .

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Now it's a little bit hit to miss because we don't know what we're about to walk into but

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being able to go and see her, she is French from everything we can gather, being able to

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see her and see if we can get a lead on what is whereabouts may be now.

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And this is it, it goes to a lot of our work where at the end of the day you've got to ask

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questions, right?

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You've got to do the door knocks, you've got to...

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A lot of... people think the tracing work, remember when I was talking about this in Paul Coulson?

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Yeah, and the thing that tracing works is a question of dashing something in a computer

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and a magic answer is going to come out.

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Well yes it is sometimes and very often that is the case and data can be very good and

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we're very good at unearthing it.

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Sometimes it just ends up being a physical exercise.

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Like I say, going and talking to people, asking questions, getting a lead, follow the lead,

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follow the lead about.

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I mean, in this instance there's another couple of avenues, one of them is I think in

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Strasbourg, the other one is in Avignon, but we were here anyway.

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So it seemed sensible to try and mix it to keep it cost down for the client apart from anything

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else.

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Yes, yeah, a lot of times when we are in, we should have countries we may find ourselves

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in, you know, doubling up, maximising our time out here is something we do quite often.

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I mean, I remember a few years ago we were in a, I think we were in a Canary Islands and

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we had three different cases running over three weeks.

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It was a case a week, essentially.

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Yeah, that's the same in Locker, in a, in a, in a, in a, it's sensible.

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Well, if we've gotten a query about the same location, we're always getting such a summary

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say, "Oh, this is happening.

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It will cost down for the first client and cut cost down for the second client."

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Yeah.

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It's not the cheapest thing to do, but if you need the answer or the solution to a

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problem, it's a means of, it's a means of getting there.

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Excellent.

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So we've got some physical info for tomorrow.

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Now, at the start of all of this, you were mentioning stories about Monaco.

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Oh, yeah.

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You see that building over there?

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I do indeed.

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You see it in top of it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's a 200 million dollar penthouse that belongs to a chap named Demetri

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Rybolovlev

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I think who, any football fan worth his salt will know owns most of Monaco.

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Okay.

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Yeah, the story starts, and I have to say before I say anything, all of what I'm about to

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say is on public record.

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It's either being reported, so please don't accuse us of slander or libel.

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And it all starts with a case that our friend Demetri had against an art dealer whom he

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excused of essentially defrauding him.

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Okay.

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So, the lawyer, Tatiana Bersheda, recorded as third party person and delivered the audio

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to the Monaco Police Service, where upon they launched criminal investigation against

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the art dealer.

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However, the art dealer then filed a complaint accusing Mrs. Bersheda, who's Swiss lawyer,

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lovely, of having committed a criminal offence for violating another person's privacy, which

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contravenes one of the articles of the monogast criminal code.

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Okay.

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So, a lot of infighting already.

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The complaint was looked at by the European Court of Human Rights because the investigating

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judge, whose name was Wad Laval, ordered a forensic data examination of the phone, which

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according to the ECHR went far beyond the initial scope.

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A quotation from the ECHR reads a vast telecommunications report from a court appointed expert with no real

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limits as to date's scope of inquiry.

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Not going well for the lawyer so far, especially when in 2018, the findings were then used to

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accuse Demitri, Rybolovlev and other influential figures in Monaco of corruption and influence

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peddling.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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So, the stakes are significantly rising there, especially someone who owns Monaco FC.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that report was the thing that started it all and started a long running saga for

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our businessmen.

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Dmitri Rybolovlev is a Russian billionaire business man.

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He's an investor, he's also a philanthropist, made his fortune in the fertilizer industry.

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He's known to most as the owner of AS Monaco FC and also for his background and his growing

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fortune.

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Interestingly, some 30 years ago, he suffered the fate of quite a few Russian oligarchs and

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that he was arrested in 1996 following the murder of a chap named Ejeni Pantallionov,

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a business partner in the Potash producer, Yorakali, which was Dmitri's company.

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He was accused of ordering the hits but claimed he was framed.

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He spent 11 months in a Russian jail before he was released and in 1997 he was acquitted.

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He's net worth by best estimates, it's about six or seven billion dollars.

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So I think that Penthouse is probably a small change.

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I mean, it's daughter, bought a Greek island, obviously, is part of the family name.

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So, what was the case really about then?

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2018, report at the time, involved a Swiss art dealer from whom Mr Rybolovlev bought

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a series of masterpieces, triggering a very long-running and separate legal battle.

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The investigation in 2018 centered on claims that Mr Rybolovlev tried to influence senior

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Monaco officials, including Monaco's former justice minister.

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And the Monaco's criminal system, which is kind of like the one in France, the suspect

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is placed under investigation by a magistrate who then determines whether there is sufficient

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evidence to hold a trial.

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Both Mr Rybolovlev and the former Mr. denolied any wrongdoing.

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None of the accused were held in custody after initial interviews.

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The dispute involved Swiss dealer Art Dealer, Eve Boubier, who was accused by Rybolovlev

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of defrauding him of around about a billion dollars.

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He purchased around 38 works of art from Mr Boubier, over the course of a decade, and the

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claim that the prices were deliberately overinflated, something that Mr Boubier denied

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was the case.

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One of those paintings is the Selbertole Monday, which was believed to be by Leonardo da Vinci,

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just to give you an idea and a flavour of what we're talking about.

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I think a few years ago was the most expensive painting that had ever been sold.

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French reports said that the Russian tycoons lawyer handed prosecutors a phone recording,

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which we've already talked about, as part of the case against Mr Boubier, but when investigators

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looked at text messages on a phone, they discovered material that allegedly revealed

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a compromise in material on a much larger scale.

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The whole scandal eventually led to the resignation and the arrest of the former Justice Minister

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Philippe Lomino.

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What became known is the Monaco Gate, and it ruptured when the French newspaper Le Monde revealed

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the content of the text messages, the ones that were exchanged between the participants

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of the dispute.

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These allegedly showed Rybolovlevs efforts to influence the course of justice and to get

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Boubier arrested.

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In the case, the brilliant air was accused of offering Nominio and his wife a vacation

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in his Gustard residence with all expenses paid, including gifts, fine dinners, none of paid

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100,000 euros to the former Justice Minister's son.

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It was also accused of providing helicopter trips in his private helicopter to his house

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in Switzerland, for senior members of the Monaco Police.

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So massive controversy.

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The whole investigation and legal saga went on for quite a few more years.

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However, in 2025, Demetri Rybolovlev and Tettiana Bersheda were both cleared of all charges

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and in the words of the Monaco Court, they are totally and definitely cleared.

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That brought one of the most significant chapters in the principalities judicial history to an

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end and a conclusion.

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I find interesting about that story is how it started from that recording from the phone and then it explodes

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out once you get underneath and look at the device itself.

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It's very common and a lot of what we do when we get the moblie forenscics.

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You see 5% of it, you look at the entire phone, bam, there and all and everything else comes

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up.

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I mean, this is what the lawyer Boubier really missed.

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She was using that to get evidence against Boubier and the whole thing backfired.

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Very interesting.

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He's got a big question.

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I don't know, I mean how much money is really floating through Monaco?

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I have no idea, but you only have to look at some of the yachts out there to get an idea

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and an estimation of that.

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Yeah, whether it's the just...

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I don't know, yes of course it is.

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I mean, banks in Monaco and the most respected in the world having said that.

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European Commission is moving to add the principality to its list of high-risk status.

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Sorry, it's list of high-risk states.

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So an interesting present and possible future for Monaco, but you mentioned Frederick Abeline.

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It takes us back into the past.

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Oh, I love Frederick Abeline and I have to link this because when you finish listening

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to this episode, look up the ones about Frederick Abeline.

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I mean, he's amazing, fascinating, detective from Victorian times.

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Okay, Penny Mere knows about Frederick Abeline, chat the ripper of detective, went on phenomenal

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career of the Metropolitan Police at the time and he retired, I think it was in 1892.

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Around about that time, Monte Carlo, which is...

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A lot of people know as an administrative district of Monaco.

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Monte Carlo is in Monaco.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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It was a hotspot for wealthy travelers, for aristocrats and also international criminals

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who, therefore, the area and the casinos required professional private security.

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Those, as I say, who listen to this series, will have heard a podcast on Frederick Abeline,

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the jack the ripper detective.

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When I've abeline retired from the Metropolitan Police, he was employed by the Pinkerton detective

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agency, specifically by the London office, to look out for cheating customers and handle

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security in the luxury gaming venues of Monte Carlo.

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So yes, Abeline was here.

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Ah, brilliant.

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Well speaking of casinos and gambling institutions, I think we better get out of here before we

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end up losing all our money.

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I am not going to the casinos.

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Well, thank you for those stories.

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I really, really love me to hear and there is such a small world.

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There is always going to be the connections, quite fascinating, hearing about Frederick's

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time here.

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How long was he actually here for?

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12 years, I think.

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Oh, okay.

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So he finally fully retired, I think that was in 1904.

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Where upon went to living Bournemouth?

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And I went to his house.

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Yeah.

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So a bit of a change from monaco to Bournemouth

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Yeah, especially in those days.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, I do wonder because where and when did he learn French?

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I don't know.

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Do you know the way you are telling those stories is really giving me the buck actually to go

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look into all the historical detectives that we deal with.

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Let's see, see.

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I mean, nothing is new.

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We just think it is.

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Yeah.

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Loans of the investigative work that we do now has got its roots in what happened 150 years

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ago.

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Yeah, completely.

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Well, as I say, hearing those snippets, you should really go and listen to those Frederick

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Abeline cases and hear more of the historical deep dives that I'm sure you're going to be

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getting into in the months to come.

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Oh, thank you for the plug.

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Go and listen.

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Well, this has been wonderful, but you know what I'm going to go do?

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Go on, tell me.

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I'm going to go find that Ferrari.

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See you next time.

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History remembers him in the shadows of Whitechapel, but the real Frederick Abeline was more

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than a Ripper Hunter.

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He was a man of 84 commendations, a meticulous detective who colleagues said, "Look, more

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like a bank manager than a street hardened copper."

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In part two of our podcast on the life of Abeline, we follow him through the scandals that

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broke his faith in the system, from the cleave in the street male brothel inquiry to the

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high stakes Turkish bonds robbery.

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Disillusioned by cover-ups involving the British aristocracy, Abeline walked away from Scotland

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yard, only to become the European agent for the legendary Pinkerton National Detective

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Agency.

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From hunting Gamling, Cheats and Monte Carlo, to his eventual retreat to the seaside

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air of Bournemouth, we explore his later years at Escort and Holdenhurst Road, but even in

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retirement, the ghosts of 1888 remained.

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Join us as we close the casebook on a Victorian legend.

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Dectective diaries

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"Fedric Abeline Part 2".

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