Detective Diaries - Podcast 'Private Eye Work Experience'

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Work Experience

Etienne Middleton

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Welcome to Detective Diaries, brought to you

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Hello, and welcome back to yet another edition

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of Detective Diaries, my name's Nigel Parsons.

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I'm sat today, more interesting than me,

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with somebody who I've found absolutely fascinating

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in the last few weeks.

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Her name's Etienne.

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Etienne, and she's probably one of the youngest

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new investigators in the country, which is quite a claim

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to fame.

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Etienne's actually studying computer at Reading University,

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just about to go into the third year.

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But she spent the last month with us finding out

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what it's like to become a private detective,

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private investigator.

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21 years of age, Etienne spent most of her life growing up

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in Singapore, which gives her quite a unique experience,

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and quite a unique take on things.

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But come on, enough of me, Etienne, tell us

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about your background.

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What was it like?

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I mean especially growing up in Singapore, but more importantly,

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how did your interest in crime and investigation start?

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Where did it come from?

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Well, my interest in crime and investigation actually is not really

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an interesting story to say the least.

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I mean, it was kind of more like I just always kind of knew

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that I wanted to do it.

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I've known that I wanted to do it since I was

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like seven, eight years old, not really knowing what it was,

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but I always kind of knew that I had a passion in it,

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even though I didn't really know what it was.

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I've always-- I think I started off wanting

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to be a criminal lawyer, but I thought absolutely not.

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I don't enjoy reading that much.

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So I thought, you know what?

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I'll go down the criminology route things

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and the more I started to learn about what it was,

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the more I became fascinated in that sort of thing.

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But also as well, it's interesting on why I would like crime,

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even though I've grown up in a country that has the least

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crime in the world.

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So that's what I find funny as well, that I would want to do

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this job or even know much about it growing up

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in a country that has absolutely no crime whatsoever.

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I mean, I was allowed out of the house at like 11, 12 years old,

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which here I'm an only child.

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So I was sheltered.

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My parents, if I lived in the UK, they wouldn't have let me leave

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the house on my own till I was 16.

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So in Singapore I could go out and do whatever I wanted

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because it was so safe and run around and do absolutely anything

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I wanted to just because it was so safe.

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Do you know that

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That's such an interesting aspect.

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I just havent really though about because you

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having a foot in both worlds.

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One foot there, one foot here.

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I've worked in Singapore a few years ago for a crime,

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which was my first experience of it.

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No, the country is absolutely fascinating.

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You're write about the low levels of crime.

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It seems, you readsthe news.

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It seems like if somebody commits a minor crime.

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It's headline news.

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Yeah.

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I had a friend at that point in time and, well he wasnt a friend.

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He wasnt a friend.

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I knew someone- of a mutual acquaintance.

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And he'd- the Singapore Zoo is super open.

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He jumped into one of the cages.

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it's not a cage.

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It's a tiny little fence.

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He'd gone over and done a backflip in the rhino pen.

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It went so viral, the whole of Singapore knew about it.

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Everyone was talking about it because it was head-line news

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because that was the only crime happening at that point in time.

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And everyone knew about it.

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His nickname, he had like a massive nickname.

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Everyone had merchandise and everything,

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because it was the biggest thing going on in Singapore at the time.

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That was the biggest crime someone going into a rhino enclosure

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and just doing a backflip.

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Punishment is quite severe, then is it?

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Yeah.

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I think most of the time you get things, you get caned.

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But I think I believe it's only men that can get caned,

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not women because we're deemed as not to be strong enough to get caned.

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I believe, if I'm right, I'm pretty sure that's correct.

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And in English translation, this is the story of Giuseppe Dosi,

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an Italian detective of the early 20th century.

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Hear me relate the adventures of Sinori Dosi on detective Dairies

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Do you know what?

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Something that sticks in my mind.

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on a bit of down time, we were walking along the nature parks

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And it runs alongside an army camp

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I can remember, I took a picture of it.

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There's a sign on the fence.

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And it doesn't say trespassers will be prosecuted.

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It's just a picture of a trespasser and somebody pointing a gun.

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With this message of, you don't trespass.

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No, I know.

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It's crazy.

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So why come back to the UK to go to university?

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I mean you're at what, Reading?

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How do you find Reading?

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It's good.

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The university, not....

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Yeah.

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No, the university is great.

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I mean, I couldn't have asked to go to a better university in terms of, like,

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sense of community, because Singapore's quite got a quite big sense of ex-pat community.

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So going to Reading, because it's a campus uni, all that's, yeah, really good.

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But what inspired you to come back to the UK for education?

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Well, I mean, obviously, in terms of criminology, I'm not going to go ad, you know, I'm not going

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to do that in Singapore.

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There's nothing really out there for me.

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And as well, I think most Singapore expat schools tend to push you.

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I mean, the only route we got given was university.

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There was no such thing.

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I didn't even know what apprenticeship was until I came here.

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I didn't know anything.

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So the only route that they take you down is you leave school and you go straight to university.

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So obviously, as well, you can't work.

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I couldn't work in Singapore.

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I couldn't work part-time.

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Then you know, I'm not allowed.

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I'm not allowed because I'm on a dependent pass off of my dad or my mum.

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That's how it works.

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So I physically, I'm not allowed to work.

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Only that other permanent resident or because I don't have my own employment pass.

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So I couldnt work.

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So they just push you to go and go to university and that's that. Nothing else

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So I was kind of directed more towards England and all of my friends from school.

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Everyone I knew was either Australia, America or England.

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Obviously I'm from England.

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So I get, you know, like, what's it called?

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I get a loan, student loan and all of that and over here I've got family and friends so it

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just seemed the most logical answer.

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So work experience in a private detective's?

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I mean, that's virtually unheard of.

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You spent a month with us at answers investigations.

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Probably about the only people.

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certainly that we know.

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who provide that kind of opportunity.

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But how did you find out about that?

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Well, I'm quite a little tech savvy.

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I actually did all the research myself.

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I kind of, I went to my tutor at university and I kind of told her what I wanted to do

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essentially at the end of my degree, which was kind of investigative detective kind of work.

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And she kind of led me in the direction of job titles that I could do.

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That's it.

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Like she had, obviously she's going to lead me more towards like Thames Valley Police

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from Reading.

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But I didn't, I didn't really want to do something that would lead me to potentially just

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doing coffee runs or, if I was to do work experience for met, or Thames Valley Police,

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I would have literally been sat there probably getting them coffees or doing the coffee runs

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or not really getting much experience.

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Whereas I kind of did lots of research, found here and I looked at it and signed up, did

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the application then did the interview and I thought I won't just be taking coffee runs

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there.

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Okay, in a number of one to ten, how many coffee runs have you done in the last month?

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Zero.

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Unless I get my own coffee on the way to work.

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So what have you done?

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What's your experiences?

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well a month's a short amount of time but what sort of practical things that you've

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seen and learnt about and experienced?

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Well, I've learnt a lot more than what I thought I would.

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I thought, you know, you'd just be chasing after people running round, which essentially,

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you know, I've done, I've done, but it's a small amount of, I didn't realise all of

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the background work that kind of goes into it, which I think will benefit me especially

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in my last year of university and just to have that experience behind me, if I'm, you

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know, just to put on the CV or anything like that.

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I didn't expect that I'd be doing that kind of, I didn't expect I'd be learning as much

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as I have.

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You spent some time doing some surveillance in reading, I mean, go on decribe it.

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It was, it was interesting.

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It was, it's a lot more time consuming than I thought.

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Like it's very, it's more like you're sat there, I mean, observing, really.

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I don't, I don't want to say too much about it just in case, but I think the one in the

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new forest was more interesting, whipping around in the car, going on a little day out, really.

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But the, no, the one in Reading, it was, it was good, it was, it was, it's a lot more, I'm

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quite a structured person, I like routine and what I noticed is you can't rely on that

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when it comes to observations and you kind of, you, it's a lot of sitting around not knowing

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what you're going to do next, which I struggled with at the beginning, but I kind of came

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to terms with it, as it went on.

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I guess you can't really plan it.

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Exactly.

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it's a reactive situation, you are there and you are reacting to what somebody else

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does1, and when it happens, does it happen quickly?

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But I have to plan, that's the problem.

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I normally have to plan, so this for me was a completely brand new thing that I've ever

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had to do and the self-discipline I had to have was incredible, because I learned, I learned

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that actually most of the time in this kind of line of work, you don't, it's, you, you

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don't know what you're going to do next, you don't know, you can't plan everything, you

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can't have anything, everything structured, which, I've always thrived off of, whereas

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now I realise I can't thrive off of and I wouldn't have had that experience if I hadn't

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have done it before I left university, for example.

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You're told it, but you don't expect it.

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Think on your feet, react quickly, is that fair?

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Yeah, I'd say so.

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Definitely.

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So, you're going back for what, 3rd year?

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now, criminology degree.

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How is this experience going to benefit you?

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Well my last year of university.

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Well I mean, I get the pleasure of being able to write about this experience with my

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dissertation, so I mean, it's going to benefit me massively, personally, but if I wasn't

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going to, I mean, everything overall in terms of just having that bit of more background

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and more experience really, because I think it's quite a niche subject to get experience

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in, for example, if you're doing business, you can get experience just by working in a

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shop or working in a cafe or anything like that, really.

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Whereas criminology is a bit more, it's quite hard to get sort of any experience in,

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because a lot of the time, the fields are quite confidential, you're not really allowed

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to be thrown straight in, so I've had that experience here and I think I could benefit from

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it, because I mean, all the bits of the background information I've kind of learnt here, I can

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use that as to my advantage in my writing or my essays which 90% of my course won't have

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if that makes sense.

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So unique, different?

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Exactly.

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the company under the name of UK finger print do a lot of finger prints, if you've learnt

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the process yourself?

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Ihave, i've learnt the process of it, I've done more of the processing of the documents and

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certifying which I've enjoyed, I hadn't anticipated doing all of that and learning all that, so

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I think the fact that I've had that experience as well is really good, and I've obviously learnt

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how to do all of the ink finger printing, I didn't know all the rolling, the rolled finger prints

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or the flat impressions, I've learnt that all and I guess university is not that practical,

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so to come here and have it be all practical is basically putting all of my work and knowledge

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into basically making it practical.

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So what parts of the whole thing have you enjoyed, most?

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What surprised you?

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What pushed you out of your comfort zone?

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Well I think obviously being fast on my feet and quick and I think the uncertainty of

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the job, one minute I'm sat processing papers and then the next you get a call and you're

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like you've got a rush off and get in the car and go here and observe this person, you

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don't know what time they're leaving, I think it's that kind of uncertainty of not knowing

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what you're going to do next is what's pushed me out of my comfort zone the most by far.

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Okay so take a random day, take yesterday.

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What did you do yesterday?

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Yesterday I did the ninhydrin where we did, we got envelopes, so we had to, we had to

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put it in the solution to see if any fingerprints came up but unfortunately we got, we had,

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it showed up with the, you know, that there had been people touching it but because it was

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crumpled it wasn't really that, they didn't really have clear fingerprints so again, because

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there's so many students at university I never would have been able to have done something

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like that, just sat in a lecture or in a practical, they don't, you know, they don't do stuff

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like that so.

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And then obviously I go away and learn more about ninhydrin and the chemical process of

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doing fingerprints I like to write it all down so then I can use that to my advantage at

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university because I guarantee you 90% actually, I guarantee 99% of my course will have no idea

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what an ninhydrin is, or the processing of any of the whole chemical process of that, whearas

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I learnt that yesterday.

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So if you're in a, there's a small forensic lab, is it a comfortable environment like you

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see on television if you go and watch something like that.

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So one of the, you know, one of the other programs they've all got this big, sort of clinical

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environment and they're all relaxed and they're all chilled, what's it like in a forensic lab?

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Is it comfortable? Is it uncomfortable? Is it cold?

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Well yesterday it was uncomfortable, it was boiling, it was like I was in a sauna.

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Why?

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Because it has to be warm in order for the be paper to dry out.

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Okay.

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That's what I learned yesterday.

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So how were you dressed?

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Oh sorry, don't take that question the wrong way, I was in goggles.

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I was in PPE, I was in goggles, I was in a lab coat and I was in a mask because I did not

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realise how strong smelling the ninhydrin, that solution would be.

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It was so pungent, but even I could smell it through that mask as well.

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And gloves.

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Do you defend your generation when it's criticised?

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I do.

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You do?

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Ah.

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I'll give you a challenge.

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Criticism, not necessarily my criticism, I think I'm a bit older but a criticism in your

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generation.

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And it is that you've grown up in an entirely different environment and I think a criticism

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fair or otherwise, that comes from a couple of generations above, or a generation above, is

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that what are you, 21 years old?

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Yeah.

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that when you research, the research isn't necessarily supported by facts and I know that's something

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that you learn at university, your masters dissertation, you know, putting

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references and notes on it.

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But there's perhaps a bit of a criticism that the new generation that's coming in based

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on clickbait, based on little, small amounts of information off the internet, internet,

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I will google it is such a phrase that what comes out isn't necessarily resourced and referenced

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and checked.

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Is that fair?

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Are you saying in terms of if I'm going to do information online?

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, if you're, I don't want to stereotype an entire generation, at 21 years old but generally

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ask a question, oh well, the person doesn't necessarily know the answer will quickly go

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on the internet and just spout out the first thing.

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What, and not know the source.

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and not know the sources, I know where it comes from, I'm not being able to back up the statement.

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Is that a fair criticism?

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I think it's a fair criticism in the sense that we don't back up the source but I feel

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like university does teach, I mean, I'm a bit biased.

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Because I did the, IB the international baccalaureate, not A-levels.

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So I did, you know, I kind of learnt all of the referencings like the Harvard referencing,

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MLA format, all of that kind of thing.

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So I was writing copious amount of essays before I'd even come to university with all the

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referencing.

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So I think I'd been taught from sixth form, how to reference and how to check my sources.

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So I think I'm more biased in that sense, however, I'm not too sure what it's like in the English

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curriculum or if they're really taught on how to source or check their sources or all

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of that.

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But I think, I don't know, I think with clickbaiting and things like that, I think in terms

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of our generation and things believing things we see online, I'm going to do some defending

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my generation in the sense of, I mean,

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I mean, I think it, the new AI definitely shows intelligence, but 90% of people that I

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meet now, especially the older generation don't know what, can't tell the difference between

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AI or not.

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So also, you could then argue that the older generations or what, what's it, Gen X, millennials,

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baby boomers, all of those, they can't tell the difference between whether it's an AI

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news report or not or whether it's AI content or not like a video now, you get all those short

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reels or clips on TikTok, for example, online and people, it's getting to the point now where

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people basically cannot tell whether it's real or not and every single generation is being

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naive through it.

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So you could also say that, you know, we're all susceptible to it, not just us.

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Are you enjoying today's episode?

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I'm Tova Copeman and I'm a forensic investigator and you can listen to my forensic investigation

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podcast here on Detective Diaries.

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You may even hear me talk about the decomposition of rats.

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Listen in and hear the real CSI.

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How would you change that?

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What advice would you give to anybody, to differentiate?

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And I'm saying this from an investigative point of view, which is based on research and

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fact.

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Yeah.

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Investigation is about uncovering and producing.

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That simple word of fact.

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What advice would you give to anybody to tell truth and reinforce factual information from

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the rest of the drivel?

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Well, I think that it's one of those things where when you, I know that it's based a lot

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on facts and what you, you know, it's very factual and all of that, but as well, I think a

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lot of the time it also comes to how you think and what kind of your perspective on things

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as well.

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And everyone thinks different.

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And everyone perceives things differently, especially me, you know, sometimes I can perceive

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things a bit slower than the average person or which is normal, you know, and no one perceives

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things or takes things in at the exact same speed I will tend to.

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I don't think I necessarily take things in slower and think i more or less take things in

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more intricately or outside of the box.

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I don't take it factual to the point of straight.

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I don't take it straight.

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I kind of, I bend it my own way and then can sometimes complicate it a little bit.

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So I think when it comes to facts and things like that, I never actually think anything

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is that factual if that makes sense.

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I think that you take it, how you want to take it.

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So you question everything?

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Yeah, so I like that in this job that whether it is facts or not, none of us take it the

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same way if that makes sense.

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Stay with that attitude and you will make a fantastic investigator.

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It's what we do.

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Yeah.

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We dont take anything at face value

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Okay, something a little bit lighter.

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A collegue of yours, Tova

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Tova Copeman.

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If anybody was to summarise, I think they would say an interesting personality.

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Yeah.

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How have you got on?

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Come on, tell us about her.

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I couldn't have asked for a better colleague in all honestly.

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I do think that the job kind of brings interesting people in.

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Like no one, not that there's ever a normal but no one boring is going to enter the job if

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that makes sense.

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I think that what I've learnt is the job kind of brings in quite dry, cold sense of humours.

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If that makes sense, quite dry, cold people in that have quite a bit of funny and she

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makes me laugh.

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I honestly don't think I would have learnt or got on as well as I have without her there

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because I've got along so well with her.

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And I think that she's taught me, she's been patient with me well.

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She's been patient to a certain degree.

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She has, but I couldn't have done without her.

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I think that she's been a massive.

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A helping hand and I think because she was only so recently in the exact same position as

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me, she's been patient to that certain extent knowing that she was in my position a few months

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ago.

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That sounds like a very political answer.

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Come on, what's a certain degree mean?

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I think that she's, I mean, she's been wickedly patient.

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She has, but sometimes she can get stressed and overwhelmed which I'm sure most people

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are do in this job because it is so uncertain and you'll be doing one thing, one minute

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and then doing another thing the next that while she's having to deal with all of that,

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she's also having to deal with teaching and sorting out me which sometimes can get

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a bit overwhelming.

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So, patience is a virtue.

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What's the future of you?

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I don't know.

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I really don't know.

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I don't know.

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Okay, what's the immediate future hold for you?

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you're going to go back to university for the next year.

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Okay, what are you going to do during the course of that year that isn't university?

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figuring out exactly what my purpose is for my career.

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I think I don't yet know my purpose.

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For example, I know I'm going to do investigative, like sort of detective type work but I'm finding

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my purpose over the past like six months I've been trying to find my purpose in what it is

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that I want to do in the field.

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I think for some reason this past two years I've been massively pulled towards like youth

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crime for some reason.

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I never, never in a million years would I have ever, ever even thought of doing that before

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university but every single mark, every single essay, I'm pulled towards writing it about

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youth crime and every single mark I get is, you know, reflects on how well I seem to

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do in that thing.

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So, I'm trying to figure out my purpose whether it is that I go down the field of doing youth

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investigative or kind of detective work or whether I do more, I don't know.

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I think it's just trying to figure out my purpose of what I want to do.

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A few perspectives?

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Try saying that the word perspectives again have perspectives changed over the last

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a few weeks?

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Yeah, I definitely think it has.

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I think it's changed in the sense that I know that this is the route that I 100% want

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to go down and I've enjoyed, you know, being able to, I'd like to say pick things up relatively

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quickly.

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You know, I'll always, if there's a lot to learn and a lot to think about and I know it takes

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a while to get into routine but I definitely think that I know that I want to do something

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within this field for sure.

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Have you got any message for anybody listening to this?

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I think that it's good to know, it's good to not know what you want to do.

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I think looking for the purpose of what you want to do career-wise is more fun than actually

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reaching the purpose, if that makes sense.

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I've had so much fun trying to find my purpose that I think that once I get there, it'll all

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become a bit boring.

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Etienne, thank you, thank you for your time, good luck in the future.

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Are you going to be going back to answers?

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Answer's investigation?

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Yeah, I reckon so.

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How so?

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However so you want me.

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Etienne, good luck in your next year.

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It's been a pleasure, thank you for your time.

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Work Experience

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