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Host and Private Eye Harry Watts
Private Detective Nigel Parsons
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Welcome to season three of Detective Diaries,
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the podcast from Answers investigation,
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that ppeals back the curtain on the gritty, complex world
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of modern private detection.
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As we enter this new season, we transition
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from the high stakes historical and corporate intrigue
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of season two, like investigations in Europe
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and into moonlighting employees in the UK
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to an even deeper exploration of the specialized skills
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and international operations that define
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our skilled private investigators.
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Season three officially kicks off today, bringing
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listeners front and center into live cases
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and technical deep dives.
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So what to expect in season three?
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Listen to Trilingual investigator, Adina Loliceru
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as she navigates complex cross-border cases in Switzerland.
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Go behind the scenes of high-tech forensics,
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including mobile phone data recovery,
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and the evolving field of investigative psychology
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with guest experts like Professor Ray Bull
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We also have stories of Slovenian serial killers
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and more historic accounts of such as
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Eugène-François Vidocq, the father of private investigation.
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So sit back and prepare to challenge your perceptions
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of civil cases, legal cases, and crime
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as we prove that in the world of private investigation,
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appearances are almost always deceiving.
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Welcome to Detective Diaries.
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Private investigators and the police.
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Now, as one would think, there are many natural
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overlays between the two parties here,
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but there are actually many reasons why a client may choose
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to deploy a private investigator prior to the involvement
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of the police.
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Two factors come to mind.
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The first is jurisdiction.
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Now, a lot of cases may involve an international element, which
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perhaps the police on a local level
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can't facilitate or deal with.
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But more importantly, actually, it's
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the matter of dealing with the particular issues at hand.
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A lot of times the police will be going on the basis
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of looking at what evidence can be used for the CPS.
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What do we do?
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Well, we might be dealing with the private matters of a client.
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It's not necessarily going to go to court.
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It's what they want to get out of it.
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The second, discretion.
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A lot of times there are cases which
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involve the need of discreet and covert inquiry.
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Something the police might not necessarily be able to approach
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and apply to the particular matters that the client may have.
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I've got Nigle with me here today.
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We're going to share some stories about a few cases
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that involve the police and how we've dealt with matters
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which perhaps have been provided to us
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post engagement of any police officers in the United Kingdom.
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So we're going to take a deep dive.
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We're going to really get into this and tell a few tales.
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So, Nigel, you're joining me here today,
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and actually, I want to cast your mind back before we even
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get started on all of this.
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There was a flat in Chelsea, if you remember.
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We were tasked with coming to have a look at what had happened.
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There was an incident of a burglary.
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And now it's not just any Chelsea flat.
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We're talking millions and millions of pounds.
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We're talking millions of pounds being removed from the property.
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We were tasked with coming and having a look
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because police officers had visited the site.
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The client wasn't necessarily enthused by the results that had been obtained.
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Well, yes, SOCO had been to look at the flat
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and sent them a letter a week later saying
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there's nothing further that we can do.
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At the time, the owners of the house were
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resident of the place in Scotland
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and consequently not there.
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So it had been left untouched
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and we were invited to go and re-examine it
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forensically. Exactly that. A lot of the times clients may be
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coming to us on a proactive basis rather than a reactive one.
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So we turned up at this property in Chelsea,
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did a full examination, top to bottom.
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And what did we discover?
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Something that SOCO had missed out.
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There was a footprint and this footprint was on the neighboring conservatory roof.
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Now, this was clear as day to us
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and actually further investigation revealed that clearly the neighboring property
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had also been burgled at that time.
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Now, you say it's clear as day.
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Well, I kinda would dispute that because the bedroom had a very, very small balcony.
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And when it would look at this sort of thing,
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yes, you can do the forensics.
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And yeah, you're very, very good at that.
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And you run a team who know what they are doing.
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However, I can remember standing on that balcony
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and tryng to look at the whole thing rather than focusing on one little bit
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and one little point of it.
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Standing out there. The next door neighbor whose property then joined a side road
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had an angled glass conservatory.
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Im standing out there there and thinking, "Well, hang on a minute-you know, what's that on there?"
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Yeah, it's a footprint.
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Yes.
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And then when you tracked it back,
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you could see across the neighbor's garden
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and the property was completely unoccupied.
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You could see tracks running through the grass
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where somebody had taken a heavy trolley
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and had somehow got the safe from our client's house
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out down through a first floor,
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probably dropped it on there, run out on the trolley
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because the glass was wet.
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The grooves were in there.
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We took a footprint impression off from the glass
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and could work out how the whole thing had done,
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which was essentially from a van being parked in a side road
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on the other side of the side gate.
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Having worked out how it had been done,
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we walked across the neighbor's garden, skipped across the wall
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because the property was empty and there was nothing in it.
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Just went and had a look through the windows,
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tried the backdoor, back door was open because it had been forced.
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Now, I'm not knocking the police and the SOCO on this,
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but the perpetrators had had a go at the place next door first.
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Yes.
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They'd obviously been in, you could see footprints up on the carpets
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going up onto the first floor.
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I mean, people were a little bit tetchy
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because technically, I suppose, we're trespassing,
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but you get involved in this kind of thing.
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And the house was completely empty- devoid of furniture.
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That had been their first target.
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Having done that, well, it's all safe.
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The other houses are occupied, our client's house,
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go and do that one instead.
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And that's when their safe went out.
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Over, we wreckon the first floor balcony,
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probably dropped to the ground, put in the van.
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Well, I mean, this is it.
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We were actually in a party to go and research
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and contact the homeowners of the additional property.
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The police hadn't done that.
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We'd informed them after the fact, obviously,
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that this house had been burgled most likely at the same time,
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as you say, prior to our client's property.
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But we were the ones to go and have a discussion with them.
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So a lot of times, that re-evaluation, re-examination,
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it can be very important, certainly, in the forensic world.
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And certainly, when you're looking at the unorthodox nature
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of some of the cases that come to us.
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Yeah, but it was difficult, because Kensington police put.
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Blank, blank door up on us.
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Yeah.
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And said, why are you involved in the whole thing?
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And then we said why
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And then they started to get slightly embarrassed.
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And they came back to the client's two weeks later,
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and reopened it all.
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This is it.
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Pressure sometimes can be a benefit.
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I didn't put pressure on.
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I think it was just a little bit embarrassed by the whole thing.
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Yeah.
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Not good thing to do.
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But hey, I mean, we were just doing a job.
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Exactly.
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and we're good at it.
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Well, we were tasked for it.
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And we discovered aspects which had not been examined.
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It's not just being tasked, we're actually good at it.
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And I think one of the reasons we're good at the whole thing
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is we've got the forensic science together.
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We've got people who know what they're doing
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and can analyze things.
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But we look at anything, holistically.
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Look at the whole picture.
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Not just what is in front of you.
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Not just the footprint, not just the fingerprints.
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How would it have happened?
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And when you can work out how it happened,
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you know then what to go and look for.
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Does that make sense?
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It does.
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You say holistically, it's quite interesting
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because that brings me on to the gentleman
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who we assisted, who had a vehicle traffic accident.
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This was on the A3.
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I remember.
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And the gentleman he's a motorbike.
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I remember spending
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Afternoon, after afternoon, standing on that bridge.
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This is it?
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Looking for BMW.
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Its a white Mercedes is the one.
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Mercedes.
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Exactly.
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Mercedes BMW.
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So we had this gentleman come through .
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I don't know.
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they all look the same these days.
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So we've had this gentleman come through,
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we've had the client come through.
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He'd been hit on the A3 and the problem was he'd been hit
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to a point where he did not recognize the car
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because he's obviously in a state of distress.
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Now he assumed it was a white car.
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There's obviously white scrapes on his motorcycle.
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Police didn't unfortunately want anything to do with it.
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So he came to us.
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He said, look, can you actually do anything about this?
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And exactly as you say, Nigel, this is why it comes back
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to that holistic nature.
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We said to him, look, we're not exactly
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100% sure which direction to take it in.
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But let's go experiment.
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Let's see what we can do.
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So we took some paint samples from his motorbike.
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We managed to establish a particular color of Mercedes
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that the car belonged to because of using, obviously,
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paint color codes and so forth, which are all displayed
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in logs and accessible databases.
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And then we said, right, it's on the A3.
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It's most likely that this individual is doing
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a daily commute.
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And therefore, let's go and record all of those cars.
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We whittled it down to 11 and eventually we got the guy.
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Are you sure it was a Mercedez, I had it in my head
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It was a BMW.
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Oh, I can assure you, taking those paint samples.
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OK, it was a while ago.
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I don't remember.
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I've got a photograph of you in a high viz vest.
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oh good grief.
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Can you remember a chap who seemed to take
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exception to us, standing in high viz vests
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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We've got the camera set up.
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Video set up on a tripod, minding our own business,
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standing there just basically filming everything that came,
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through and spotting anything, through a long range camera
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taking photographs of those and registration number.
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I think his issue was the fact that he thought his car was being
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recorded clearly.
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There was something more to that.
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I often wondered about him, but hey, this is what happens
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in the line of our work, isn't it?
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So that case, really emphasizes the holistic nature
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of the work that we do.
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It's the unorthodox ways of going about and finding,
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gathering that information that's going to be so valuable
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to a client.
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So it actually brings me on to a particular case
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I do fondly remember -the 419 scam.
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You must remember this.
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It's impossible to forget, especially
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as those things were in their infancy.
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I mean, the 419 scam, it's called 419,
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because it was article 419 of the Nigerian criminal code.
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All this happened at Luton Airport at some stupid time
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in the morning, and we had to get up at stupid o'clock
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in the morning and drive up to Luton.
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The whole pantomime beforehand of getting any of the police services
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interested was quite a task in itself.
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Yes, exactly.
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How many police forces did we contact?
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Must have been nearly a dozen.
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I started with Surrey, who said no.
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I started with surrey, simply because the client lived in that area.
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Went to the MET police because there was a met police involved
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in some of the research that we'd done beforehand, they said no.
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I went to the economic crime unit who started to take an interest,
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but then they couldn't find the resources to go and deal with it
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and eventually ended up with Bedfordshire Police
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and a wonderful DI within Bedfordshire Police who said,
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"Yeah, I want to get involved in that."
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I can see the value of it.
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I can see an end result at the end of the day, especially after the way
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that we had set the whole thing up, which you'll go into in a minute.
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The client was a corporate client of ours who we had dealt with for years
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and who trusted us, although actually the whole thing involved
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his father, who was Lithuanian, and was coming over to England
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to go and give people who had got him to believe a set of circumstances
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involved in a car club with 20,000 euros in a pocket in his envelope,
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not the first money that he had passed on to him.
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No matter what our client had said to his father, his father did not believe him.
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He didn't want his bubble burst on the whole thing.
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With a client's permission, we took over the whole issue
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more or less impersonated his father using his email address and so forth
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with a different email address.
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cant exactly remember which, and persuaded these guys to meet with our client's father
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at Luton Airport as he came in on a flight at stupid Clock in the morning
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I cant remember what time, but I do remember I had to get up very, very early
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and drive all the way up there in the company of a colleague
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and a very young colleague of ours, Lisa, who was absolutely fabulous.
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Now her job was basically to go and sit at the back of a costa
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and just record the whole thing on camera, on a covert camera,
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you know, very subtly so nobody knew what was going on.
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So a lot of planning, a lot of preparation, how did this all go down?
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Will it actually went down very early in the morning
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and turning up at Luton Airport, at half past five, is not on my top list of favourite things to do?
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Because it's quite a long drive up there apart from anything else.
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Anyway, we turned up three of us and the minute we walked in, I mean Luton airports,
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empty at that time.
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It doesn't really start into the ......, until sevenish or eightish
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or something on that nature.
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The first thing we could see was two people in the arrivals, terminal.
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and not to put too fine a point of it, Beat officers are fantastic,
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they dont look great in plain clothes and it does rather stand out a mile.
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Having found the DI and recognised that she might be a DI,
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she then asked us, how did you know who I was?
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And my colleague to her shame just said, I think it was the clip board that gave it away.
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She wanted to know who our people were, to which your colleague said,
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well, I think Ive clocked a couple of your old people, is your chap over there?
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She said, well, how do you know that?
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She said, well, you've just bought a costa coffee and asked for a reciept
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and there's the other guy cause he's sat on his laptop and it isn't even switched on.
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And she then wanted to know who our people were, and you know,
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colleagues said, oh, it's me, it's a colleague here.
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Its Lisa back at the costa coffee and the DI then said to us,
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who do you mean I can't see anybody?
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Essentially because she was looking at somebody who was 20 years old,
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less at the time, Lisa, looked about 15 years old and was looking straight through her.
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Exactly.
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You know, it's the difference between the private sector and the public sector.
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And, you know, and I apologize, I am not decrying the police force for the job that they do.
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But the concept of somebody sitting like that, being a recorder,
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was not something that could be grasped.
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No, it was unfathomable to her at the this time.
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Lisa didn't look like a police officer.
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Exactly.
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And that was the concept and that was a perception that was running there.
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Well, the beautiful thing about this, if I remember this correctly,
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was the fact that we had got the scammer to write down the particular wording
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so that they were clearly visible when we were there at the terminal.
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So of course, you've got all these police officers, you've got us there, prepared and ready.
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You've got the scammer there who has lovely,
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produced this writing clearly visible to all of us.
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Oh, we emailed them and said, could you put my name on a piece of card?
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It was perfect. It was perfect.
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All wrapped up.
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And so, yes, it sounds like it's the perfect, closed case, but, um, it's far from it.
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There was a little piece of intel that was missed.
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Yes, well, after the police intercepted the guy who we had got to identify himself
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by standing there with the banner saying a name on it,
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which was just a little bit obvious at Luton airport at the stupid o clock
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in the morning.
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We spoke to the DI afterwards and, you know, we said ,
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did you pick the other guy up?
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To which response was what other person?
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And then showed a photograph of the bad man who had been in the car in Line of sight opposite,
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of which we'd actually got registration number, photograph of the registration number,
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clear photograph of him.
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I don't know what to say.
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I mean, I just sound like I'm scathing of the whole police operation on it.
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You know, it was ten times what we put into it.
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And yet, we'd just provided the solution to the whole thing.
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I mean, this is it. Without our involvement,
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there wouldn't have been any evidence of that getaway card.
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There was a larger scheme afoot.
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There was clearly a sort of gang involvement here.
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And without our evidence, that would not have been followed up.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, she radios the information through.
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And he was picked up on the A, whatever it was that goes out of Luton Airport,
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about 15 minutes later, and apprehended.
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And this is it, you know, I agree with you.
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We don't want this to come across as a scathing report of them.
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I think it is that working in tandem.
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We were able to assist.
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They obviously provided massive support into something that was clearly above the grading
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that it was needed.
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I wish we could work in tandem more- the police forces across the country have the systems.
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They have the organisation and they have the resources.
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All we have is an invoice of the client at the end of the day,
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which has to be justified.
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I always think that we justify that invoice by getting to the point that the client wants to achieve.
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So it is that justification.
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There are many cases we've been involved with.
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That clients have already approached the police malicious mail and theft from the home comes to mind.
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These clients come to us because they've spoken to the police now
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for whatever reason the police might not get involved.
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It's probably because they're dealing with the murder two streets over.
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That's fair enough. That is in their ballpark.
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That's what they should be dealing with.
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But what about Mrs. Muggins, who perhaps has had some gold or her purse
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or her clothing even taken from her property?
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When the police come around, a lot of the time they might even suggest
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have you got insurance to which the client will then respond yes or no.
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And a lot of the time scenes of crime are not applied because realistically they think
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that they're not going to be able to get an achievable result from that.
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From our perspective, why not turn over every stone open every door that's possible?
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It might be someone who is even related to the client.
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You don't know that until you get involved in the case.
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And that's what we do.
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We provide that service to a point where clients want us to be involved
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because they need to get that answer.
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I'll tell you the difference.
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The difference was the DC detective constable that I knew.
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We have the luxury of focusing on one client's needs at a time.
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Yep.
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OK.
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DC that I knew.
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We were having a talk with him about a particular issue that there was some cross-dealing with.
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And he said, yes, great.
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I can deal with this.
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I can also deal with the other 85 cases sat on my desk at the moment.
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That's the reality of the 21st century and 21st century policing.
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That's just my opinion.
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Do you know, I do agree.
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There are actually many forces and particular police officers that we do collaborate with often
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because of their expertise and quite frankly, how brilliant they are and the accolades they carry.
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I know you've got some examples of people that we've worked with over the years.
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Some individual officers, many individual officers, shine out like a complete shining light.
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I remember Gemma, if she's now retired, she was a domestic violence officer we used to
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deal with very, very often, almost week after week.
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On the civil side, we served non-molestation orders, which is essentially an order that says,
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please stop beating up your wife stroke girlfriend or whatever.
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When that was served on an individual, there would be attached to it what was called a
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power of arrest.
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The power of arrest would have to go to the police who could then exercise it if the respondent
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then transgressed the court order.
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Gemma's commitment to a role as a domestic violence officer lasted for 13 years until
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she eventually retired from the force and a very, very, very tragic loss because she was
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so involved, so concerned, so looking after the applicant within a non-molestation order
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who was the person who was probably scared for their life and scared for their sanity.
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She had so much impact.
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That to me is the true essence of a police officer, looking after people being concerned for
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people in a parochial basis.
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It dates back to the community police officer.
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And I do wish that that sort of person had more funding.
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Do you know, I'm glad you brought that up actually, community policing.
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I was having a conversation with someone literally a day ago about this matter.
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It used to be when the police officer turned up at your door or PC John Smith or whoever
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it was.
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You would invite him in for a cup of tea, right?
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You would have a chat about what was going on.
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Wasnt he called PC plod?
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Oh, PC plod exactly.
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I won't get into all the other names.
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where did PC plod come from.
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I didn't know, actually.
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I wouldn't have thought so.
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Sorry, carry on.
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Postman Pat or something.
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But no, so postman Pat was years and years and years after PC plod-Ive no idea where
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PC plod.
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I'm thinking aobut Jess the cat, isn't it?
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Jess the cat?
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Jess the cat, postman Pat.
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No, no, no.
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OK, right.
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What were you talking about?
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Well, apparently postman Pat and his black and white cat.
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No, what I was going to say was the differences of the view of the police then versus now.
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As I said before, a lot of times the police then when they were turning up at your door,
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it was a lovely chat, it was a conversation, it was a cup of tea.
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Now you're thinking what have I done wrong?
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What crimes have i committed?
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Did I burst through that red light the other day?
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It is the change of perception and I think a lot of times it is quite uncomfortable for
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clients to get them involved.
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Why did you drive through a red light?
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It's a very good question.
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I wasn't speeding off.
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So they turned up at 2 a.m. in the pouring rain on my house one night.
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Largely because I've been on some surveillance and some neighbor or something,
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Had seen the registration number two o'clock in the morning.
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I had to get out and go and see to them.
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And I sat at the doorstep and he got a good cop, bad cop.
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One of them was a lovely lovely guy, the other one, he kind of wanted to go and prove himself
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and so forth.
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So it ended up at the point where I said, look, it is chucking it down with rain.
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You are very welcome to come in the house, but it's not an invitation.
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It's just to get out of the rain so they came into the house and then good cop said what
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he needed to know because he was just checking out something quite legitimate
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bad cop, he's decided that I am the biggest terrorist of perpetrator or
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whatever.
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When I turned round and said, look, I really can't tell you what this is about, this is what I do.
494
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This is why the vehicle was there.
495
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It's fine, I wasn't doing anything wrong, and bad cop starts having a go again at me and
496
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I just said, look I'm really sorry, but if you want to go and stand out of the rain, your
497
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invitation to come in the house only extends to get out of the rain and good cop turned
498
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round to him and said, best you go and sit in the car, I ll be with you in a few minutes.
499
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That's policing.
500
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Yes.
501
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They heard something to follow up.
502
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They had a vehicle in the area, checked it out, it's all fine, it's all legitimate.
503
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There was no need to posture, there was no need to interrogate any further.
504
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Completely, they had a job to do.
505
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One guy could do it, the other guy, well, let's be charitable and say he was learning.
506
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Anyway enough of that.
507
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Let's go back to you.
508
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You had some thoughts about forensics and computer forensics and horse boxes.
509
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,400
Do you know the yes, horseboxes, there is one thing that comes to mind.
510
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,880
I said before a lot of cases of theft or malicious mail, they end up on our doorstep and that's
511
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normally because no one has decided to get involved prior to our engagement.
512
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We actually had a client who, a female client with her partner, she had converted a horsebox
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into essentially movable accommodation.
514
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It was all hitched on to the back of four by four, it was lovely.
515
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However, what had happened on one night was the horsebox was destroyed.
516
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We're talking about 35, 40,000 pounds worth of criminal damage.
517
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Police, they came, they took one look, they took a couple of items away, a particular
518
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Marmite jar, you either love it or hate it.
519
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And they did nothing with it.
520
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I hate marmite.
521
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,080
Well, me too, actually.
522
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But the problem was, is they did nothing with the jar, whatsoever.
523
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,680
So the client came to us after about six, eight weeks, right?
524
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,400
So literally zero work had been done at this point in time.
525
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These items have been kept in police storage.
526
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,120
She said to us, look, can you actually do anything?
527
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We said, yeah, of course, the lengthy process of getting that Marmite jar, of course,
528
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they probably had emptied it in their store, but none the wiser, it took ages to get that
529
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back to us.
530
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,800
So once we got hold of it, we did some forensic analysis, we compared it to the horsebox itself,
531
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took some fingerprints off of the damaged materials, we compared one and the same.
532
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,280
Do you know what we did?
533
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,640
We proved that it was her ex partner.
534
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,600
His fingerprints were all over the horsebox, they were all over the Marmite jar, and they
535
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were all over another item that we tested to compare and bring the whole thing together.
536
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,080
A good question.
537
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How did you identify his fingerprints?
538
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,640
Yes.
539
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,080
So this is the other additional item now because he was the next partner, the client had a particular
540
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item which he had handled in the past, right?
541
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,920
So what we did is we treated that item, compared it to the Marmite jar, proved they were one
542
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in the same, we then also conducted forensics on the actual horsebox.
543
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,640
Again, confirmed that his fingerprints were on the horsebox, on the Marmite jar, and
544
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on the piece of paper that she had kept.
545
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:10,840
Okay.
546
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,280
The authorities have forensic resources that we don't have.
547
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Sure.
548
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What do we have?
549
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Well, while yes, we can replicate the computer and the fingerprinting evidence, sometimes even
550
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,720
better than they can I might add.
551
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,680
There are differences, there's specialisms.
552
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,280
I'm thinking about the audio enhancement, the verification as well.
553
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,960
A lot of times we're provided particular audio files that need either cleaning up and enhancing,
554
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,240
or they need verification proving if they've been tampered with.
555
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,200
Listen to our episode on that.
556
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,440
I talk a lot about audio enhancement and how we produce the results here at answers investigation.
557
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,600
There are differences in their line of work and how we operate.
558
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,080
We are able to provide those particular services that fall outside of the realm of the
559
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,920
lay police officer.
560
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:04,840
Why would a client come to us rather and go to the police?
561
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,000
I'll come back to what I said at the start of the episode.
562
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It's jurisdiction and it's discretion.
563
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,000
Many cases need to have that particular touch of a private investigator so that it doesn't
564
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,840
explode out into something that becomes a PR nightmare.
565
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,320
And it's jurisdiction.
566
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,360
Listen to all of our episodes where we've done cases internationally.
567
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There's a recent one about Monaco, Nice, a lot of these cases.
568
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,560
They cannot be handled by the police forces back in the UK because they do not have that
569
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jurisdiction.
570
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,600
To me, those are two key areas.
571
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,400
As I say, specialisms is also important.
572
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:47,320
Doing something which the police are unable to do or perhaps they cannot look into.
573
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,440
How much is associated with budget, do you think?
574
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,920
I think with the fingerprinting, it's very true.
575
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,160
I think if you take the police force back many, many years ago, your average detectives
576
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,040
were trained in being a fingerprint technician, right?
577
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,080
They could take the fingerprints from a scene of crime.
578
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Now it's police staff, right?
579
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,640
It's not your detective who goes out on the beat or deals with the murders.
580
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,640
Yeah, but they're doing more important things.
581
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,080
I think true, but take it on the basis of holistic nature.
582
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,640
If you have someone who can only look at one half of the coin
, how can they understand
583
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,480
the full picture?
584
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,040
And I think that's important in the work that we do.
585
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:32,120
We're able to take that case and say, hey, listen, we can look at the whole picture rather
586
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,560
than be able to provide you one half of the coin.
587
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,040
I've talked earlier about looking at things holistically.
588
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,680
Yes, we have that luxury.
589
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,280
Its not youve got to go on to the next case.
590
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,280
You've got to go on to the next job thats on the list.
591
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,120
Do you think that makes a difference?
592
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:54,360
I really think so because we're able to give that due attention and time, rather than
593e
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,960
being something which is yep you pop in on Saturday and your out by Tuesday, we're
594
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,760
there throughout the beginning, middle and end.
595
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,400
We take it from the start all the way through to conviction.
596
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,880
We'll provide evidence in witness testimonies.
597
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,360
We'll provide evidence for court cases.
598
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,160
We will do everything from beginning to end.
599
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,520
But why is that?
600
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,160
What's the difference?
601
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:24,560
What's the difference between the criminal public service and the private service which
602
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,560
you pay for at the end of the day?
603
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,560
It's a good point.
604
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,480
I'm actually reminded by words of a colleague of ours who's ex-job as well.
605
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:39,800
He would always go on and describe how a lot of time clients will not get the police involved
606
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,920
for actually fear of what happens.
607
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,000
Where does it go?
608
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,840
What do I give up in the process of having them involved?
609
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,320
Are they capable of taking on my specific needs?
610
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,160
And I think that's where we come in.
611
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,880
We are looking at the specific needs of a client.
612
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,800
We're not talking about CPS prosecution.
613
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:05,240
We want to achieve the results and the objectives set out and provided by our client.
614
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:14,640
On top of that, very often I am sure with a corporate client, he just wants to keep it quiet.
615
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,640
Yes.
616
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,280
They don't want the negative PR.
617
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:25,480
They don't want people to know about the internal accountant who's defrauding them.
618
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:32,320
About the employee who is doing very, very bad things within the company and selling out the information
619
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,280
to somebody else, they just don't want the PR to go to the police service.
620
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,080
If its a criminal issue.
621
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,080
It becomes public.
622
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,080
Yes.
623
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,440
Having a quiet solution to a problem that you just simply want to go away is sometimes
624
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,800
at the forefront of our client's needs.
625
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,960
And we're quite happy to provide that.
626
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:58,680
Without the bravado, without this elongated process, it is a simple matter of dealing with
627
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,800
the issue at hand and making sure it does not return.
628
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,760
Well, yeah, I mean, that reflects an awful lot.
629
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,760
What we are doing?
630
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:11,040
We've got a real reputation for working in Europe and Morocco and further afield.
631
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,040
And it's why clients come to us.
632
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:21,040
If you listen to podcasts, you'll be broadcast from Switzerland, from Monaco, from France.
633
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,160
It's keeping it quiet.
634
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,160
Is the wrong word.
635
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,640
What's the word I'm searching for?
636
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,720
I think it's keeping it discrete, discrete.
637
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:31,720
But it's also the needs.
638
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:37,360
Take the international cases, for example, when we're dealing with matters in, you know,
639
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,560
you mentioned Morocco earlier on.
640
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,440
When clients come to us, they want their particular needs dealt with in the country.
641
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,160
If you go and look at private investigators in Morocco, you wouldn't find anyone reputable.
642
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,000
You won't find anyone of authority in the country.
643
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,760
That's why we go and get tasked to go into those countries because we can take the needs
644
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,960
of the client based in the UK, apply our discipline and skills into the country.
645
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,000
Obviously, with all the experience we have from working there already, and can get the
646
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,160
results that are necessary and what the client is after.
647
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,360
And again, is that key word of jurisdiction?
648
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:18,120
Imagine this UK client going to the police force in the UK, asking them about dealing
649
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,880
with this matter in Morocco.
650
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,080
They're not going to touch it with a barge poll.
651
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,080
That's where we come in.
652
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,040
It's not a no from the offset.
653
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,360
It is, yes, we'll go explore that.
654
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,440
We'll see what can we do for you.
655
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,960
So in summary, what we're looking at is that, yes, of course, the police will attend to
656
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,920
your needs if they are criminal issue.
657
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,520
And there is something going to be there as a result of the end of the day.
658
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,200
Our focus, our attention as a private company is focusing.
659
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:54,600
On your individual needs, on your objective, on where you want to be.
660
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,600
Exactly.
661
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,000
It's not about CPS.
662
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,800
It's not about prosecution.
663
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,960
It's about your goals and how we can gather the evidence and obtain exactly what you need.
664
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,960
So there you have it.
665
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,920
There's many differences between the public institutions and private investigators.
666
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,240
But I think the main core at the end of the day is this unorthodox nature.
667
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:20,480
The cases we get involved with, the people that we speak to, it's so varied, it's so different.
668
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,320
We have to have those approaches which fit outside of the confines of the box that the police
669
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,600
operate in.
670
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,320
So it's not police versus private detectives.
671
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,920
It's horses for courses, one that suits one and one that suits the other.
672
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,960
Talk to us, answers, investigation.
673
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,720
You can see all the links on our show notes.
674
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:47,600
Once again, thank you for listening.
675
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,000
It was a BMW.
676
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,800
It was a white Mercedes.
677
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,440
No, it was a BMW.
678
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,560
I know what a BMW looks like.
679
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,560
I drive ome
680
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,480
Well, I hope you didn't hear our client.
681
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,160
It was a BMW.
682
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,440
I'm Adina Loliceru, a Romanian-born private investigator working in the United Kingdom,
683
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,640
and often in Europe and further field.
684
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,920
I'm tri-lingual speaking fluent English, Italian and Romanian.
685
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Most people think a certain way, but my mind works differently.
686
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,280
It is one of the reasons why I'm good at what I do.
687
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,200
I use it to good effect, to bring a unique quality to investigation.
688
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,800
Be sure to listen to my interview because great work has been put into it.
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Especially by my interviewer who has not only had to interview me, but he also had to
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00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,080
bring me on an assignment in the middle of the Alps in Switzerland just to get me on
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record.
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00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:54,600
Be sure to listen to my episode on Detective Diaries and have sympathy for my interviewer.
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