Detective Diaries - Podcast 'Forensic Techniques and the Rats'

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Forensic Techniques with Rats

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I'm talking with Torva Covary about the subject

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of forensics, something that fascinates so many people.

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Dictionary definition of forensics.

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It refers to the application of scientific methods

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and its principles to investigate crimes,

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to identify offenders, and collect

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and analyze evidence to be used in investigation.

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Torva, you're a forensic investigator,

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which is a fantastic job title.

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What is it all?

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So as a forensic investigator, basically,

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we look at forensic evidence that is left at a crime scene,

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and we'll analyze it, pick it up,

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so that we can actually observe it.

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And then we will use that to sort of find the criminals

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and help engage in court cases at the crime scene.

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And you work in the private sector, not the public sector?

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Yes, so in the private sector, it's a lot more personal.

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We look at more of the crimes that are less prioritised

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when people come to us.

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They want it done quickly, and they've obviously been very hurt

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by what's happened, usually it will be like this or burglary.

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So a lot of it will include fingerprints,

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which we will take off of an object, for example.

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So say there's been a jewelry box and some jewelry's been stolen.

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We'll take that jewelry box and analyse the fingerprints on it

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and see if we can compare that to anyone that they know

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or any suspects that they may have.

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I know you have an intubly busy eye.

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Working full time.

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But from what I understand, you're still finishing your masters?

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Yes.

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Nearly there?

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Yeah, nearly there.

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OK.

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What's it in?

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What are you studying?

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So for my masters, I did criminal psychology.

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Sort of to give me a broader experience of the criminological

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wealth, because psychology is also an extra add-on thing

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that I'm very interested in.

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And I found it very interesting.

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Don't get me wrong.

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It's been very chaotic the last few months,

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working full time and finishing off my dissertation.

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But we've managed to get through it.

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And I'm just about to finish.

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So hopefully it will all go well.

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You mentioned your dissertation.

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What's the subject?

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So my master's dissertation is looking

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at the gendered attitudes of the public towards forgiving

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ex-offenders.

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So sort of seeing about how the public and their forgiveness

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and willing to forgive an ex-offender may

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change due to gender bias, or depending

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on the offender's gender, essentially.

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That sounds fascinating.

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And very much on the agenda at the moment.

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Yeah.

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It was very interesting to do, actually.

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I'm very much more of a practical person.

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I like to be more hands-on.

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But obviously, when it comes to the psychological side,

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there's only so much you can do that's hands-on.

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So I chose to look at bias in the way that that can--

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because there's so many things that that can sort of go towards,

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like not just the willingness to forgive that offender

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based on their gender, but it then

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links to how they get rehabilitated and whether they reoffend

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and then whether there's essentially more crime

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and more reoffending because people may forgive some more

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than others.

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OK, that's quite a well.

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So you undergraduate degree?

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You've proceeded the master's?

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Yes.

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So I did my undergraduate in chronology and forensics.

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Three years of that, my dissertation was absolutely incredible.

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So my undergraduate dissertation, I looked at the differences

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in aquatic decomposition rates.

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So essentially what that means is--

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obviously, decomposition is when the body

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starts to decompose after someone has died,

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and how that can determine time of death,

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sort of how they died, that sort of thing.

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So what I wanted to look at was whether that differed underwater

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and the circumstances that happened before the death

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if that altered the rate as well.

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So essentially, I looked at-- I used rats, which I know probably

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sounds quite disgusting, but obviously I can't use real people.

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So what I did is I had one rat in broom temperature,

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one in the sun, and then one in the freezer.

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And essentially, my theory was that obviously,

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you hear these stories about murders and people

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storing dead bodies in the freezer,

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because they don't have time to destroy it or get rid of it,

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that sort of thing.

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And so I wanted to know that if you chucked all of them

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into the water afterwards, whether the differences between the

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temperatures before they went underwater

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would alter the rate of decomposition, which essentially,

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my hypothesis turned out to be correct in the fact that when

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the rat that was in the freezer beforehand decomposed

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the slowest, even though the temperature of the waters

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were all the same once they were underwater,

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because it was frozen beforehand, it meant that the decomposition

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rate was a lot slower, because it hadn't started yet,

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whereas the one in the heat, obviously,

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decomposed the fastest, but they were all then put underwater

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in the same temperature.

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So it was quite interesting.

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It wasn't the nicest, but I found it very exciting and interesting

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to handle.

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So did people look up the pets when you go

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into their house in case you're going to use them as an experiment?

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No, it was purely for research purposes.

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I mean, obviously the rats were already dead.

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They were from pet shop for snakes and things like that.

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But my uni was actually really helpful with it.

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I mean, they got everything that I needed for me, including

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the rats, and then I did the study by myself all

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from my brain, essentially.

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There's no point in me asking if you enjoy fronzy.

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Because there's obviously such a passion with you.

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What is it?

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What folks should both with the whole thing?

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I think it is just one of those things

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that I honestly will never know exactly what

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fascinates me.

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I get told that it's quite weird how fascinated I am

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with the gruesome side.

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But I think that's just the way that I've

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been brought up with biology and science,

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and just wanting to go that way.

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I just find it so interesting.

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And it's such a rare job as well.

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And I think that competitiveness side of me also just

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doesn't exactly help in me wanting

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to get into something that's incredibly rare.

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OK, so you're criminology undergraduate degree.

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Going then on into a psychology.

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I've got my life.

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Yep.

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OK, just making sure.

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But in fact, was that a natural graduation?

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Or was it the movement?

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So, yeah, so I graduated from my undergrad as normal.

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And then my master's was completely set for it.

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But the reason why I decided to take the master's

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was so that I had multiple routes to take.

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Because as I said previously, obviously,

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the forensic area is such a rare job to get into.

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I mean, obviously, I consider myself incredibly lucky

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to get the job that I have now.

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But other people aren't so lucky.

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And so when I was originally taking my masters,

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I knew I was interested in psychology

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in the way that criminals think and why they do things

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the way that they do.

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Why would you chuck a body in the freezer

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before dumping it in the water?

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Why would you not just dump it in the water?

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That sort of thing.

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I wanted to know why I was curious to see what in their brain

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made them think that way or to even do the crime in the first place.

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But it also gave me that second route

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so that if I, for some reason, later on in life

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decided to change my mind, I had that psychological route

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to go down as well.

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It was a sensible decision.

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But it also just gave me more time to learn even more

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about everything that's crime related, I guess.

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So day to day, that work.

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Well, what are you working on right now?

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So right now, forensic wise, we are working on a case for a company.

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Obviously, I can't give too much information away.

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But it is quite interesting.

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We have actually been sent some envelopes,

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which essentially had foregrounding cash in.

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And they believe that one of their employees stole that cash.

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So essentially, what we've been doing or what we've been asked to do

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is bring up those fingerprints or any prints that are on the envelope

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and then take control prints of their employees

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and then sort of compare the two and see if we can find any matches,

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which is a long process because obviously

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having to take control prints of every employee isn't going to take a day.

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But I've been finding it really interesting,

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so we've been using the NINHydron, which is basically a chemical treatment.

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So we soak the envelope in this acetone type liquid,

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which will activate with heat.

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And it will bring up any prints that are left behind from their sweat pours.

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And then we'll leave that to dry and it will come up in this fluorescent pink color,

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which will then show the print or hopefully any prints that we can get.

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And then we will then match those with hopefully one of the employees

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if their suspicions are correct.

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It sounds like something straight out of CSI, but it is not,

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I'd imagine not process that's as simple as it is portrayed on the TV.

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Oh, definitely not.

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I think with the TV, it's portrayed as a two-second job, which it is not at all.

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I mean, we've had to do multiple treatments on the envelope to get any prints up.

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I mean, the envelopes also came quite crumpled, so it wasn't as easy.

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There wasn't any straight thumb prints or fingerprints on there at all

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because the envelope had been crumpled up, so obviously prints are going to be distorted.

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But it's not like we can just run it through a database

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and it just gets picked up straight away.

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Because all of those employees aren't going to have their fingerprints on a database.

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So we have to go through each at one separately and check for their ridges,

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their loops, their wells in their fingerprints and see what is similar

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or potentially matches what is on the envelope if we find anything at all.

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So it's a process and narrowing it down and looking more closely at the ones

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that are in the ones that are in the list?

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Exactly, yeah.

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You mentioned a chemical in hydrogen, so what's it like working with that?

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Do you just boil your sleeves up and get on with it or do you have a detection?

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Definitely a protection, because it uses heat and the chemicals in the liquid are quite toxic.

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So we have to make sure that we have our lab coats on, gloves on,

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and then we also have masks on as well, which quite literally look like world war two masks.

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They've got the air filters on either side, but it does the job.

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And because to keep the heat in, you have to sort of keep the room shut, where the man behind you is.

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So it gets very hot stuffy and the toxic fumes will just be too strong to go in there

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without any sort of protection.

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Well, let's speak stuff.

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So okay, when you're not busting criminals or hanging in the living places,

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what do you do outside of work or outside of stuff?

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So if you've got any time?

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Yeah, if I've got any time.

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So the only thing that I really prioritise outside of working uni is the gym.

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So I'm a professional competitive powerlifter on the outside,

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which I may not look like one.

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But I've been doing it since I've been at uni,

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and it is literally, since I left uni, it's been my life.

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Essentially, it's the one thing that is sort of me,

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and that's my time outside of work.

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Like, if I need to de-stress, I go to the gym.

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If I need to just clear my head of anything, I go to the gym.

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Like, it is very much what I prioritise,

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mental health, what I's, and physical.

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I like to be, that is my one thing,

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that I always take care of and prioritise when I'm not working or doing uni work.

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Powerlifting is not most people's past.

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No.

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How much can you lift?

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So, powerlifting, essentially, for those who don't know.

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It is three different types of lifts.

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So you've got the squat, the bench and the deadlift.

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And when you compete, you'll do three attempts of each,

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with your third attempt, being your highest attempt.

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And then, basically, whichever ones that the referees

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who are watching approve of, that will be your total.

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So your total is those three added up together at the end of it.

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So for squat, I have squatted 140 kilos.

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Well.

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Bench is 60 kilos, and deadlift is 167 kilos.

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167 kilos, I'll try to do the maths on that,

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but it had under £400.

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About £300?

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Yeah, I think so.

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I'm not 100% sure, because we always go by kilos.

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My brain is driven to kilos.

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We never do pounds, but something around those lines, yeah.

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So you're not somebody to be messed with?

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No, I would like to think that way.

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What's been your highlight in sport?

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Oh, probably, you know what, it's Bucks, which is--

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it stands for British University Championships.

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So while I was at uni, I was competing quite a lot,

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as well as also running the society, which we had powerlifting

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society at uni.

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And Bucks is the biggest uni competition you can do.

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You have to qualify doing another competition beforehand

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with a certain total.

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And then you would qualify for that.

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So you couldn't just roll up and do it.

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So essentially, why it was my biggest highlight

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was because I did it for the first time in my second year

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of uni, and it was brilliant.

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I had a great day, did really well.

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And then I wanted to do it in my third year, obviously,

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go again, because it happens once a year.

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And I didn't make it.

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So I was just due to unforeseen circumstances,

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like just busyness and the chaos and my training had just

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gone slightly downhill.

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So I was like, right, when I did my masters, obviously,

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it was my last year.

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And you can only do Bucks if you're at uni,

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because it's university championships.

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So I was determined to get there for that last year,

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because it was the last time I could do it.

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And I did a competition in November,

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and I didn't hit the qualifying total,

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because they'd upped it that year as well.

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And then I tried again in January, didn't qualify.

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Tried again in March, didn't qualify.

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And now, when I say this, you're supposed to only compete

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once every six months, right?

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I competed four times in about four months.

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So by the time it got to the fourth comp, it was actually--

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I think it was April--

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and I managed to qualify, and I'm not even joking.

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That day was one of the best moments of my life,

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like reaching that qualification total and getting it,

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and everyone being there to support me,

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especially my society, was just an amazing experience.

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And that's why I love competing so much,

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because you get that high, not just from--

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it's you versus you.

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So I was not just proud of myself, but having everyone there

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to support me as well was amazing.

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So that, I would say, in the sport was probably the best

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I liked me.

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So you don't give up?

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No, I'm very stubborn.

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Do you apply that to work as well?

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Yeah, I'd like to think so.

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I tend to sort of take on a lot, but in a way,

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because I'm stubborn enough to know that I can do it.

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So, and I get it done, might have a little bit of a messy sort

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of need a de-stress moment at some point,

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but I end up doing it anyways, because I

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know that I could in the first place.

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Hello, I'm Meti in Middleton, and listen

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to my podcast about my month-long work experience

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as a private detective, what it was like growing up in Singapore,

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and my life as a criminology student here on Detective Diaries.

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You mentioned early about running the society at uni,

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so it's not a male dominated sport.

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Well, it's not anymore.

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And I would like to say that is partially because of me,

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and that was my whole reasoning for running the society.

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So when I first joined in first year,

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there was me and one other girl in the whole society,

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of about 60 members.

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That was literally just me and her.

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And then in second year, I sort of started

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becoming specific roles for the society

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and sort of learning the trade of running it

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and sort of being in the back doors of what

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was actually going on rather than just being a member.

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And then in my final year, I decided to run it.

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And statistic wise, the amount of females

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that we've got from then to now is at least 50/50 now.

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It's not 60/40 girls.

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It is incredible.

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And I'm so happy that it's turned out that way

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because that was what I planned.

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So you were in inspiration?

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Wow, maybe.

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I just wanted to make sure that women know

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they have that feminine power and not to be sort of scared

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or nervous because it's a male dominated sport.

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Like there's so many more strong females out there now

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who are recognising powerlifting as a sport

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and realising that they can do it.

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And it's incredible to see.

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It's really, really nice.

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OK, can you apply that into that same kind of inspiration

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as a similar example?

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I mean, there must be, I'm not sure they're not.

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I know that hundreds of people out there

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like you, who would like to be the person who does.

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Got any advice?

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Honestly, I would just say get out there.

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Like, there's the one thing that I wish someone would have told me

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was don't just go for the police.

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As good as the police are, they're not your only option,

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especially in the forensics world.

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I mean, forensics wise, if you're wanting to be a CSI or things

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like that, they don't even go through the police.

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They're their own company.

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You've got Eurofins, which is their complete own forensic

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company.

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And they are the ones that do all of the forensic lab stuff.

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If that's what people are looking for, police is not the only option.

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Don't get me wrong.

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The police are absolutely fine.

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But broaden your horizons and don't just focus on trying to get into the police

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so that you can then go into the forensics.

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You don't need to go into the police.

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You can go straight into forensics all day one.

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Toby, you sound like you've arrived and you are staying where you are.

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What happens in the next six months?

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Next year?

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Next five years?

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And fair?

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Well, I mean, hopefully I'll be a little less stressed

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because I would have my master to deal with anymore.

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I don't know.

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I would like to take a lot more things on, especially

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in the forensics area.

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I'd like to learn more things.

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Even with the technological side, even the mobile forensics and the computer forensics

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and all of that stuff, I'd love to learn.

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Not necessarily do it as my day to day thing because I love doing my fingerprinting

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and my forensics on fingerprints and on evidence like that.

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But I would love to learn more about the technological side

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because that is one thing that I never expected

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or really thought about learning before I joined here.

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So there's always something to learn?

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Yes, definitely.

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There is so much to learn, especially in forensics

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because there's so much that it can account for.

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It's not just fingerprints or DNA or blood, it is literally anything.

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It's hair fibers, it's computers, it's audio, it's mobile,

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it's even bits on the pavement or ink on something

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that you can always find forensics somewhere.

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So always the traces of where each thread will go?

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Always leave a trace, always.

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Torba, thank you for talking.

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Any message?

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For myself?

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Well, I would like to think that when I listen to this back in the years time

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that my knowledge will expand quite a bit

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and I will hopefully be a lot more, even more expertise in this forensics.

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Don't think anybody's got any, don't worry.

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Torba, thank you again for talking.

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No worry.

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