Detective Diaries - Podcast Adina Loliceru

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'Detective Adina Loliceru'

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Welcome to Detective Diaries brought to you by Private Detectives' Answers Investigation.

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If you are captivated by the art of deduction, the thrill of solving the unsolvable, or the

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enigmatic world of private investigation, you've just found your new favourite podcast.

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Detective Diaries is where secrets unravel and the truth is always a clue away, presented

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by Private Detectives' Answers Investigation. Each episode contains offbeat conversations

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about the real people involved in investigation.

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At our office in Cannon Street, London that I've had time to sit with Adina Lolicheru.

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Adina is a private detective, a fingerprint technician

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and has worked in the UK, Europe and further afield. Now 26 she has 8 years experience.

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Her story, background and experiences are unique and fascinating.

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Adina, what's it like sitting down in our office with a microphone?

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Adina, what hasn't just been heard is the argument we've just had about preparation and

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lack of preparation because you said to me, "I don't want to prepare, I just want to speak into a

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microphone." So, speak into a microphone.

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Okay, so when it comes to preparing, I don't like when I'm, the preparation is done by someone

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else, because then more often than not, they don't stick to the plan and I don't like that.

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So am I in trouble again?

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But if there's no plan to begin with, then it doesn't matter.

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So am I in trouble again?

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No.

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Oh, that makes a real change. Come on.

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Okay, right, you originally joined Answers investigation for a one week work experience placement.

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I mean, that was years ago. What?

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Eight years ago?

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Eight years?

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2017.

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2017, your memory is better than mine.

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December, to be exact.

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December, do you remember the exact date?

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No.

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Okay, got you.

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You've described that.

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These are your words.

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You've described that as 'life changing'.

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So what specifically happened during those first few days that convinced you to pursue

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the profession of private investigation?

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Okay, so to start with, when I joined for my week experience,

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I, at that time, I only lived in the UK for one year and a half around that.

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So my English was very limited.

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And to add on that is my understanding of English spoken with an English accent was even harder to

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understand.

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got you?

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So when I started my work experience, basically I faked it till I made it, I didn't understand half of the things

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that were told to me.

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And yeah, going back on what was life changing, I approached the week's experience with,

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I'm going to say yes to whatever is offered me.

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Because I, I wouldn't say I was shy, I'm not sure.

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I, I'm introverted, but not necessarily shy, but I wanted to be courageous and try all the new things I can.

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No matter if I understand English or not.

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And that's what I've done.

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I remember exactly the first day we went to a convention, I don't know, with all these important

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lawyers, I think there were lawyers, and I had to network.

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And I, as I said, I could barely understand English, speak English, or knew anything about the

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company I was doing a work experience for. So it was a very interesting experience networking.

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So how did you feel then?

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Well, it's hard to remember that many years ago, but I felt out of place for sure.

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But again, I knew I am adaptable and I can

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learn very quickly.

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If there's one thing that I would ever say about you, and I know this is echoed by colleagues,

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is that, if anybody ever asks you to do something, that is out of your comfort zone.

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I know your comfort zone is very, very tight, and very, very narrow.

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Your immediate answer is to think about it for three seconds and just say, yes, fine.

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I mean, do you think that's fair? I've seen you leap into so many things that most people would just

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baulk at doing.

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That's because since becoming an adult, I realise nobody knows what they're doing.

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That's true.

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And the only way to learn how to do the things you don't know, is to do them.

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That's a good philosophy.

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So that's why I just say yes.

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So now, yeah, I don't actually, that's always been our philosophy at work.

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It's just whatever is, yeah, we can do that.

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Yeah, we can.

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Yeah, whether it's something that's that's that's that's T-shirt stuff that we've been there

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seeing it done it or whether it's something new, and we need to learn very quickly.

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Wonderful attitude in life.

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Just say yes and find out.

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I mean, now you talk about not knowing English very well.

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I mean, your English is better than most people who live in England,

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I think, isn't it?

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I mean, I hear you always correcting people.

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Well, that's after I don't remember 10 years, nine years.

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10 years?

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Having lived here, a university degree.

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So I must hope, I know how to speak English now.

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But you're trilingual.

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What three languages?

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So I speak Romanian and Italian and English.

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And because I speak two Latin languages, actually, I do understand a fair bit of Spanish.

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I don't speak it a lot, but if I would live there for three months, I bet I would speak that as well.

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So your ability to bridge cultural and linguistic gaps?

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I mean, do you see that's ever giving you an edge in some of the things that we've worked in?

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So I do think it plays an important part knowing how other cultures live,

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especially if you need to work in that specific country.

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And knowing the language is an extra advantage on top of that,

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because you can just blend in and say, yeah, I've always lived here.

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You don't stick out from any other people or you can use the languages that they don't speak in that

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country to just get away from hard situation.

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If you were to guess, I don't expect you to be able to calculate how many people's fingerprints do

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you think you've taken over the years?

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Too many.

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I've touched too many hands.

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Far too many hands?

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I can look afar at people's hands and know if their fingerprints are easy to take or not,

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or if they have sweaty hands.

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I don't know if that's a good skill to have, but I have it.

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The next station is Temple exit for Somerset House

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Mind the gap between the train and the platform.

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Adina, you've worked in the UK, you've worked in Europe, you've worked in Romania,

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in France, evenr further field in Singapore.

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You multi-lingual, how does field work differ when you move between such

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vastly, vastly different cultural environments?

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It is obviously important, first of all, what is accepted in that certain countries,

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because something that would be very normal in the UK may not be normal at all,

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for example, in Singapore, where everything is very strict, and if you just park your car

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somewhere for hours, it may be very suspicious to the local authorities there,

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because there's a death penalty in Singapore.

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I dont think there is a death penalty for parking the car.

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I know there isn't for parking the car, but I'm just saying that

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to show how strict it is there.

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Ah, I see.

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Did you write all the rules in Singapore?

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Yes.

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You like rules, don't you?

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I like following the rules.

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I know, I know you like following the rules.

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Even if that means waiting half an hour for a traffic light to turn green,

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and there's no car on the street, it doesn't matter.

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Yeah, we remember.

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Just for anybody listening, this is the person who would not cross a road,

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even though there was no car within five kilometers either way.

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Why would you not cross the road?

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Because the light was red, and you don't cross the road on red.

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And that's important to you?

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Yes, in a country where there's a death penalty.

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I don't think they shoot you for crossing the road either.

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Did you try?

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Okay, I've got a question for you.

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Okay.

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That adherence to rules, which I mean I've always understood is massively, massively important to you, isn't it?

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Does that associate the way that your brain

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singularly focuses on the subject in hand?

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I mean, I've seen you stand on the street corner

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and stare at an office entrance way, waiting for somebody to come out for hours,

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like a collie staring at a ball waiting to be kicked.

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Do you think that, oh, I'm not trying and insult you, but do you think those two things go together?

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That focus, and that that that regimentation of rules?

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To a certain extent, yes.

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What's a certain extent?

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Because I do like following rules and obviously I wouldn't do it as a hobby just to stare at the door for hours,

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but because that is my job, and maybe something very interesting will happen

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after eight hours of watching a door.

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Then of course I can focus on it because that's the rule of the job.

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Focus on the target.

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Do you think that makes you different?

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Yes.

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Does it make you unique?

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Yes.

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Okay, being unique, being different, how much of that is an advantage to the job you do?

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Oh, to the job I do, I think it's a very big advantage,

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because it's unique, not a lot of people can do it,

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so they don't have my skill set and my focus.

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But at the same time, living in a world where you're unique is not the easiest either.

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Go on, I won't ask you to explain and expand on that because you will probably

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poison my coffee or something later on.

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Okay, here's one for you.

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We were talking about this earlier.

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Now, of all the things you've done, all the adventures you've had in the eight years you've been with us.

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What's the best thing you've ever done?

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I did do a lot of things, and a lot of interesting things,

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and a lot of peculiar things.

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But even though this may come as a shock to a lot of people,

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my most exciting job was just doing some research in the British library

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and looking through all the newspapers and looking for a specific person's name in a news article.

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That talent is pretty advantageous to a lot of what you do, isn't it?

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Yes, obviously with investigation, you have to do a lot of research,

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and if you enjoyed the process as well, then definitely.

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That analytical brain, of yours, have you got an example of some innovation

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that was used to analyze an investigation.

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I suppose what comes to mind is when we did a reconstruction of a crime.

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And that happened because the family did not like the verdict of the police,

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which was accidental death.

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And they thought the ex-wife has killed the husband, ex-husband.

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So, her recollection of events did not really make sense for the family,

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and it wouldn't make sense to anyone, honestly.

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How did he die?

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He died drowned because he did not like water, and he didn't know how to swim.

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So he drowned in his home pool, I believe, if I remember well.

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And the other wife just said, "Oh, he just fell,

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and I didn't want to jump into pool to save him, because I was wearing contact lenses,

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and I didn't want them to fall off my eyes."

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So, why do we come in as private investigators?

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We had to reconstruct the crime scene, as you see it in movie, probably.

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And so what we did, we needed some actors for the recreation of the crime.

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And unfortunately, or fortunately, depends how you look at it.

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I was the perfect height that matched the ex-drowned husband.

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So, in this case, I had to act like a drowned ex-husband.

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Man.

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But I didn't have the same weight, so I needed to wear a weighted vest.

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So everything would match perfectly.

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So, weighted vest, in what the swimming pool?

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Yeah, we did hire a whole swimming pool, so we could have

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the whole depth and length of the swimming pool, so we could try the same thing

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on different lengths, because we weren't sure of the depth of the actual swimming

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pool that the death took place in.

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Okay.

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So, in order to make sure we have the most accurate recollection of events,

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we tried doing what the wife said she did, at different depths.

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Was that out of your depth?

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Was it deeper than you?

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I don't remember, actually.

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Yeah, so I mean, the deep end of the pool,

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can you swim in a 10, was it 10 kilograms the vest?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't swim.

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You can't swim.

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No, I can't swim, but not as a lifeguard swimming with someone or something on me.

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So, just describe the scene, and in what you're at the top of the pool,

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you're at the bottom of the pool?

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So, I'm at the bottom of the pool, obviously, if...

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Holding your breath?

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You hold your holding my breath, eyes closed,

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because I was wearing contact lenses, very important to note,

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and weighted down by the weighted vest.

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Okay.

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And then the second investigator...

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How did you breathe?

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I didn't breathe.

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I was drowning.

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I was acting like a man drowning.

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Okay.

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When I do a job, I do it 100%.

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Okay.

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Even if that means drowning.

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So, you were quite happy to drown that afternoon, were you?

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No?

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Yeah?

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But I wasn't going to drown because I'm a saxophone player.

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Okay.

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I was.

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You play the saxophone?

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I was.

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So, at that time, my breath was very good.

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You had a thing about the pan pipes at one point, didn't you?

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Yes.

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You still got the pan pipes?

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I still have them.

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do you still play them?

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I never play them, actually.

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Why not?

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You still play saxophone?

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I did a few times.

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Okay.

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The last year.

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Okay.

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Three, to

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Three.

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In the last year

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Adina, have you ever had to use a cover story while you've been working?

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Yeah, definitely.

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Many cover stories.

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go on

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One that I can think of right now is the case we had in Singapore,

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being the illegitimate daughter of a minister in Russian government.

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I had to infiltrate myself into a company where the owner wanted to reach the Russian media.

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And to do so, I needed to show that I have contacts within Russia.

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And the contact we used was a minister in the Russian government.

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And I claimed to be his illegitimate daughter.

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And what went into that?

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I did a lot of research.

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I had the cover story, but obviously with all the lies that are told, the cover stories,

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they need to be to have a root in the truth.

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Otherwise, you're going to get confused.

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And you won't remember what you said.

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So the only thing that we changed was that my father, which was the minister in Russia government,

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went to Romania for holiday.

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And he got with my mom and then he had me.

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So now he wanted to have contact with me again.

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And we started talking like that.

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So that was the cover story I have used for the owner of this company in Singapore,

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to accept me into an internship for her company.

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Adina, when you're working on something that's a personal matter for somebody with a private client,

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and it's a matrimonial or it's a relationship issue,

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what's your feelings about empathy for the client and getting to the truth of things?

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Actually, this question has many layers.

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And I would be interested to hear the answer from someone that just came into this field,

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as a private investigator, Daria, would you mind giving me your point of view on this question?

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Yeah, of course. I mean, I would assume that you need to approach, the tone matters.

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So when you are dealing with a situation where you have to deliver some unfortunate news,

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you would probably have to approach it with a very sensitive tone.

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So instead of just sitting them down and revealing some harsh truths, which are going to be

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difficult to swallow, sort of sugarcoating it a little bit for them, do you agree?

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Yes, definitely. And would you do that if they asked for the information or if they didn't ask for

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the information to start with? I think both. I think that you do need to sort of think about

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how you're delivering some bad news to anyone, whether or not they wanted to know,

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or they didn't want to know, but especially if they didn't want to know in the first place,

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because you just find some stuff out that they might have never known in the first place,

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and they're not expecting some bad news, and just blowing it up in their face might be

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scary for them. And what if the person in this scenario that is your friend is the

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cheater himself or herself? Would you be empathic towards your friend, which is the cheater in this

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scenario? I don't think I would, and I know you said you wouldn't either for the, for this sort of

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scenario. However, I still think as a polite thing to do, still don't approach it with a very

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aggressive tone, but I wouldn't call that sympathy, I would call that basic politeness.

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And what if the person you are giving this information to never ask for this information,

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is that being empathic? I think so. I think, but how would you be the

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offender if you never even asked for the... No, for example, let's say my boyfriend is cheating on me,

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and I don't know it, I don't care, like you don't know, I'm not even thinking about him cheating

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about me, and someone comes to me telling me, "Oh, your boyfriend is cheating on you, but I never

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asked, "Oh, can you find that out for me?" Would that be empathic of you coming to tell me that

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information? That, I think, probably would vary case by case, because information about being

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unloyal is quite a sensitive one, but I would want you to know personally, wouldn't you want to know,

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if somebody was cheating on you? I probably, me personally, yes, I would, yeah, I know a lot of people

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that would rather not... Just would rather not know. I agree with you, I do agree with you, I do think

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it's probably a case by case, if you do think the person can handle it, or if you think it's within

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their benefit of knowing, AKA, let's say they're planning their whole financial future with them,

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it would probably be within their interest to know, which I would think is probably sympathetic to

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tell them, it's case by case, I think. So what you're saying is being empathic is just,

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it depends on the way you deliver the message and your tone. I think so, I don't think empathy

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should play a part in how you're investigating it in the first place, because if you already are

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biased and empathetic towards one side, you'll get caught up in sort of leading down a road, that's not it.

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I honestly do think that you should be unbiased and very logical when you're approaching a case,

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but then what you do with the outcome with the conclusions should be sympathetic, when you're

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actually dealing with the client. Adina, give-listeners, something to look forward to, tell us a little bit more.

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I can talk about my work in Switzerland, in the middle of nowhere, where there's only the alps

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and the snow and the cold weather, and it's me trying to track someone down.

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For anyone listening, I have to say that interviewing Adina is a pleasure, but also an ordeal-so,

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anybody listening have sympathy for me, you cannot begin to comprehend the struggle.

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But if you want to experience that yourself, you can meet me in person.

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Thank you for listening to Detective Diaries, tune in for the next episode.

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'Adina Loliceru'

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'Detective Adina Loliceru'

"searching the world for answers"